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Jürgen Hochwald
Hello.

currently I've problems sending a route to my garmin Vista HCx.
I've converted the route from a track with gpsbabel (see below 1.) and
then sending it to the garmin (2.). After sending, no error is
displayed, but the route is not on the garmin. Sending a track to the
garmin (3.) works without any problems.
The tack/route has 238 Waypoints.

How can I send a route to the garmin, what I'm doing wrong ?

Jürgen

1. Converting track to route (cmd from the gpsbabel helppage):

> gpsbabel -i gpx -f Diemel-Eder-vereinfacht.gpx -x transform,rte=wpt -o
gdb -F Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb


2. Sending route to garmin:

> gpsbabel -D2 -r -i gdb -f Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb -o garmin -F /dev/ttyUSB1


output:

==========8<-----------
cfjh@bastau:~/Downloads/tour2015-001> gpsbabel -D2 -r -i gdb -f
Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb -o garmin -F /dev/ttyUSB1
GPSBabel Version: 1.4.4
options: module/option=value: gdb/ver="2" (=default)
cet_util: Converting from "CP1252" to "UTF-8", done.
Tx Data:10 fe 00 02 10 03 : ...(PRDREQ  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 fe 00 fa 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 ff 78 b6 02 f0 00 65 54 72 65 78 20 56 69 73 74 61 20 48 43
78 20 53 6f 66 74 77 61 72 65 20 56 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 20 32 2e 34 30 00
56 45 52 42 4d 41 50 20 52 65 63 20 52 6f 75 74 61 62 6c 65 20 48 77 79
20 42 61 73 65 6d 61 70 2c 20 41 54 4c 20 76 32 20 32 2e 30 30 00 56 45
52 53 4d 41 50 20 4f 53 4d 20 4d 61 70 20 6f 66 20 44 65 6e 6d 61 72 6b
20 30 2e 30 30 00 6f 10 03
....eTrex.Vista.HCx.Software.Version.2.40.VERBMAP.Rec.Routable.Hwy.Basemap..ATL.v2.2.00.VERSMAP.OSM.Map.of.Denmark.0.00.
(PRDDAT  )
Tx Data:10 06 02 ff 00 f9 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Unit:   eTrex Vista HCx Software Version 2.40
ID:     694
Version:        2.40Rx Data:10 f8 35 56 45 52 47 50 52 4f 4d 20 4e 6f 6e
65 00 47 50 53 20 4d 54 33 33 31 38 20 30 2e 39 36 56 20 53 6f 66 74 77
61 72 65 20 56 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 20 32 2e 34 30 00 9f 10 03
VERGPROM.None.GPS.MT3318.0.96V.Software.Version.2.40. (UNKNOWN )
Tx Data:10 06 02 f8 00 00 10 03 : .....(SESACK  )
Rx Data:10 fd 8a 50 00 00 4c 01 00 41 0a 00 54 01 00 41 64 00 44 6e 00
41 c9 00 44 ca 00 44 6e 00 44 d2 00 41 2d 01 44 38 01 44 2e 01 41 90 01
44 6e 00 41 f4 01 44 f5 01 41 58 02 44 58 02 41 59 02 44 59 02 41 bc 02
44 bc 02 41 20 03 44 20 03 41 21 03 44 21 03 41 84 03 41 86 03 41 87 03
41 88 03 41 89 03 44 84 03 41 8b 03 44 8b 03 44 8c 03 44 8d 03 44 8e 03
41 8c 03 44 8f 03 41 92 03 41 94 03 41 95 03 44 95 03 41 96 03 44 96 03
07 10 03
P..L..A..T..Ad.Dn.A..D..Dn.D..A..D8.D..A..Dn.A..D..AX.DX.AY.DY.A..D..A..D..A..D..A..A..A..A..A..D..A..D..D..D..D..A..D..A..A..A..D..A..D..
(UNKNOWN )
Tx Data:10 06 02 fd 00 fb 10 03 : .....(SESACK  )

Capability A10:
Capability A100: D110
Capability A201: D202 D110 D210
Capability A301: D312 D302
Capability A400: D110
Capability A500: D501
Capability A600: D600
Capability A601: D601
Capability A700: D700
Capability A800: D800
Capability A801: D801
Capability A900:
Capability A902:
Capability A903:
Capability A904:
Capability A905: D900
Capability A907: D907 D908 D909 D910
Capability A908: D911
Capability A914:
Capability A916:
Capability A917: D917
Capability A918: D918
Link_type 1  Device_command 0
Waypoint: Transfer 100 Type 110
Route:    Transfer 201 Header 202 Type 110
Track:    Transfer 301 Type 302
Tx Data:10 0a 02 32 00 c2 10 03 : 2....(CMDDAT  Xfer PVT Stop)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0a 02 05 00 ef 10 03 : .....(CMDDAT  Xfer Time)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 0e 08 05 03 df 07 13 00 1a 1b b4 10 03  ........ (DATTIM  )
Tx Data:10 06 02 0e 00 ea 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0a 02 02 00 f2 10 03 : .....(CMDDAT  Xfer Posn)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 11 10 10 a0 a7 c0 42 d1 2e ed 3f a6 c3 6d da 42 e7 c3 3f 90
10 03  ...B......m.B... (POS     )
Tx Data:10 06 02 11 00 e7 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Waypoint type: 110
Chosen waypoint length 14
cet_util: Converting from "UTF-8" to "US-ASCII", done.
Tx Data:10 1b 02 00 00 e3 10 03 : .....(RECORD  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 1b 00 dd 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0c 02 07 00 eb 10 03 : .....(XFRCMP  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 0c 00 ec 10 03  .. (ACK     )
------------>8================


3. Sending track to garmin:

> gpsbabel -D1 -t -i gpx -f Diemel-Eder-vereinfacht.gpx -o garmin -F
/dev/ttyUSB1

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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin

Robert Lipe-4
Garmins don't support nearly that many routepoints.  50 is the number for most models.  Use our simplify filter to reduce the number of points.

Also, GDB is a pretty terrible intermediate format.  Use GPX just so you can easily count the waypoints.

All that said, if you have routing maps loaded, you'll find it more pleasant to load just a handful of route destinations and let the unit auto route you...

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Jürgen Hochwald <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello.

currently I've problems sending a route to my garmin Vista HCx.
I've converted the route from a track with gpsbabel (see below 1.) and
then sending it to the garmin (2.). After sending, no error is
displayed, but the route is not on the garmin. Sending a track to the
garmin (3.) works without any problems.
The tack/route has 238 Waypoints.

How can I send a route to the garmin, what I'm doing wrong ?

Jürgen

1. Converting track to route (cmd from the gpsbabel helppage):

> gpsbabel -i gpx -f Diemel-Eder-vereinfacht.gpx -x transform,rte=wpt -o
gdb -F Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb


2. Sending route to garmin:

> gpsbabel -D2 -r -i gdb -f Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb -o garmin -F /dev/ttyUSB1


output:

==========8<-----------
cfjh@bastau:~/Downloads/tour2015-001> gpsbabel -D2 -r -i gdb -f
Diemel-Eder-Route.gdb -o garmin -F /dev/ttyUSB1
GPSBabel Version: 1.4.4
options: module/option=value: gdb/ver="2" (=default)
cet_util: Converting from "CP1252" to "UTF-8", done.
Tx Data:10 fe 00 02 10 03 : ...(PRDREQ  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 fe 00 fa 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 ff 78 b6 02 f0 00 65 54 72 65 78 20 56 69 73 74 61 20 48 43
78 20 53 6f 66 74 77 61 72 65 20 56 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 20 32 2e 34 30 00
56 45 52 42 4d 41 50 20 52 65 63 20 52 6f 75 74 61 62 6c 65 20 48 77 79
20 42 61 73 65 6d 61 70 2c 20 41 54 4c 20 76 32 20 32 2e 30 30 00 56 45
52 53 4d 41 50 20 4f 53 4d 20 4d 61 70 20 6f 66 20 44 65 6e 6d 61 72 6b
20 30 2e 30 30 00 6f 10 03
....eTrex.Vista.HCx.Software.Version.2.40.VERBMAP.Rec.Routable.Hwy.Basemap..ATL.v2.2.00.VERSMAP.OSM.Map.of.Denmark.0.00.
(PRDDAT  )
Tx Data:10 06 02 ff 00 f9 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Unit:   eTrex Vista HCx Software Version 2.40
ID:     694
Version:        2.40Rx Data:10 f8 35 56 45 52 47 50 52 4f 4d 20 4e 6f 6e
65 00 47 50 53 20 4d 54 33 33 31 38 20 30 2e 39 36 56 20 53 6f 66 74 77
61 72 65 20 56 65 72 73 69 6f 6e 20 32 2e 34 30 00 9f 10 03
VERGPROM.None.GPS.MT3318.0.96V.Software.Version.2.40. (UNKNOWN )
Tx Data:10 06 02 f8 00 00 10 03 : .....(SESACK  )
Rx Data:10 fd 8a 50 00 00 4c 01 00 41 0a 00 54 01 00 41 64 00 44 6e 00
41 c9 00 44 ca 00 44 6e 00 44 d2 00 41 2d 01 44 38 01 44 2e 01 41 90 01
44 6e 00 41 f4 01 44 f5 01 41 58 02 44 58 02 41 59 02 44 59 02 41 bc 02
44 bc 02 41 20 03 44 20 03 41 21 03 44 21 03 41 84 03 41 86 03 41 87 03
41 88 03 41 89 03 44 84 03 41 8b 03 44 8b 03 44 8c 03 44 8d 03 44 8e 03
41 8c 03 44 8f 03 41 92 03 41 94 03 41 95 03 44 95 03 41 96 03 44 96 03
07 10 03
P..L..A..T..Ad.Dn.A..D..Dn.D..A..D8.D..A..Dn.A..D..AX.DX.AY.DY.A..D..A..D..A..D..A..A..A..A..A..D..A..D..D..D..D..A..D..A..A..A..D..A..D..
(UNKNOWN )
Tx Data:10 06 02 fd 00 fb 10 03 : .....(SESACK  )

Capability A10:
Capability A100: D110
Capability A201: D202 D110 D210
Capability A301: D312 D302
Capability A400: D110
Capability A500: D501
Capability A600: D600
Capability A601: D601
Capability A700: D700
Capability A800: D800
Capability A801: D801
Capability A900:
Capability A902:
Capability A903:
Capability A904:
Capability A905: D900
Capability A907: D907 D908 D909 D910
Capability A908: D911
Capability A914:
Capability A916:
Capability A917: D917
Capability A918: D918
Link_type 1  Device_command 0
Waypoint: Transfer 100 Type 110
Route:    Transfer 201 Header 202 Type 110
Track:    Transfer 301 Type 302
Tx Data:10 0a 02 32 00 c2 10 03 : 2....(CMDDAT  Xfer PVT Stop)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0a 02 05 00 ef 10 03 : .....(CMDDAT  Xfer Time)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 0e 08 05 03 df 07 13 00 1a 1b b4 10 03  ........ (DATTIM  )
Tx Data:10 06 02 0e 00 ea 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0a 02 02 00 f2 10 03 : .....(CMDDAT  Xfer Posn)
Rx Data:10 06 02 0a 00 ee 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Rx Data:10 11 10 10 a0 a7 c0 42 d1 2e ed 3f a6 c3 6d da 42 e7 c3 3f 90
10 03  ...B......m.B... (POS     )
Tx Data:10 06 02 11 00 e7 10 03 : .....(ACK     )
Waypoint type: 110
Chosen waypoint length 14
cet_util: Converting from "UTF-8" to "US-ASCII", done.
Tx Data:10 1b 02 00 00 e3 10 03 : .....(RECORD  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 1b 00 dd 10 03  .. (ACK     )
Tx Data:10 0c 02 07 00 eb 10 03 : .....(XFRCMP  )
Rx Data:10 06 02 0c 00 ec 10 03  .. (ACK     )
------------>8================


3. Sending track to garmin:

> gpsbabel -D1 -t -i gpx -f Diemel-Eder-vereinfacht.gpx -o garmin -F
/dev/ttyUSB1

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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin (still help needed)

Robert Lipe-4


On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Jürgen Hochwald <[hidden email]> wrote:
Am 04.05.2015 um 04:41 schrieb Robert Lipe:
> Garmins don't support nearly that many routepoints.  50 is the number
> for most models.  Use our simplify filter to reduce the number of points.
on the product page says there can be 50 routes with 250 waypints for
each route
>
> Also, GDB is a pretty terrible intermediate format.  Use GPX just so you
> can easily count the waypoints.
>
> All that said, if you have routing maps loaded, you'll find it more
> pleasant to load just a handful of route destinations and let the unit
> auto route you...
>
Now I'm trying to convert a gpx track to a gpx route (the track is
reduced to 39 points)

gpsbabel -i gpx -f test39.gpx -x transform,rte=wpt -o gpx -F test39r

When I try to load it on the garmin, I'm getting a segfault ....


Can someone give an example:
- converting a gpx track to a gpx route
- load the route on the garmin

======8<---------------
cfjh@bastau:~/Downloads/tour2015-001> gpsbabel -D2 -r -i gpx -f
test39r.gpx -o garmin -F /dev/ttyUSB1

You have the basic recipe right.  You haven't shown us your GPX, so we're left to guess far too much, but rte=wpt is probably not what you want.  That makes a route (rte) if the input contains waypoints (wpt).  If you really have a gpx track that you want to make into a gpx route, you probably want rte=trk and you probably want del.  I recommended GPX exactly because it's human readable.


Exhibit A: We start with a GPX track:

$ head -15 tcxtest.gpx
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
  <metadata>
    <name>T1_courses</name>
    <copyright author="GPSies.com" />
    <link href="http://www.gpsies.com/">
      <text>T1_courses on GPSies.com</text>
    </link>
    <time>2008-08-21T20:24:32Z</time>
  </metadata>
  <trk>
    <name>T1_courses on GPSies.com</name>
    <trkseg>
      <trkpt lat="34.17389770" lon="-118.758792">
        <ele>308.72045</ele>

We can convert that to a route thusly:

$ gpsbabel -i gpx -f tcxtest.gpx -x transform,rte=trk,del -o gpx -F - | head
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<gpx version="1.1" creator="GPSBabel - http://www.gpsbabel.org" xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1">
  <metadata>
    <time>2015-05-04T21:43:24.877Z</time>
    <bounds minlat="34.139802000" minlon="-118.957485000" maxlat="34.199616700" maxlon="-118.756231000"/>
  </metadata>
  <rte>
    <name>T1_courses on GPSies.com</name>
    <desc>Generated from track T1_courses on GPSies.com</desc>
    <rtept lat="34.173897700" lon="-118.758792000">

Now for the crash, it catches my eye that you're using the garmin kernel.  We've heard a LOT of complaints about how sub-awesome that driver is, though not so many in the last few years.  Perhaps word is out to not use it or they fixed it.  I'd try removing it from the picture ( http://www.gpsbabel.org/os/Linux_Hotplug.html ) and let us talk straight to the device with "-F usb:" instead of "-F /dev/ttyXX".

I just dusted off a Venture HC (pretty much the Vista HC) and got the whole thing right on the first time.  (No, normal people probably can't do that.)


gpsbabel -D9 -r -i gpx -f tcxtest.gpx -x simplify,count=25 -x transform,rte=trk,del -o garmin -F usb:

We see the conversation end with a bunch of Routepoints sent do the device and link data to connect them and a completion.

[ ... ] 

TX [86]:14 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 4a 00 00 00 01 80 7f 80 12 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 41 99 4c 18 08 a7 8c ab 2c d5 94 43 51 59 04 69 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff 51 59 04 69 ff ff ff ff 00 00 52 50 54 30 32 34 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........J...........................A.L........CQY.i............QY.i......RPT024......(RTEWPT  )
TX [33]:14 00 00 00 62 00 00 00 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ....b............................(LNKDAT  )
TX [86]:14 00 00 00 1e 00 00 00 4a 00 00 00 01 80 7f 80 12 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff df d5 49 18 bb ef 8c ab b4 69 86 43 51 59 04 69 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff 51 59 04 69 ff ff ff ff 00 00 52 50 54 30 32 35 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........J.............................I......i.CQY.i............QY.i......RPT025......(RTEWPT  )
TX [14]:14 00 00 00 0c 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 07 00 ..............(XFRCMP  )

On the device itself, the route appears, we can view it on the map, view the segment length of each step, etc.

So it really does all work...really.  The tcxtest.gpx file is in reference/track/ of our source tree if you wish to reproduce...OK, I was on a Mac and not a Linux system, but with the kernel driver out of the way, the USB layer really is the same for those two cases.

RJL



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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin (still help needed)

Jürgen Hochwald
Am 05.05.2015 um 00:03 schrieb Robert Lipe:
( http://www.gpsbabel.org/os/Linux_Hotplug.html ) and let us
>
(snip)

Hallo,

Now the converting and uploading is working, thanks.

But currently I've the problem, that  only root can access the garmin
device. The setup on my SuSE 13.1 is different from the above was to
configure.

- a file "/etc/modprobe.conf" doesn't exists. There is a directory
"/etc/modprobe.d/" with some files with format ##-XXXXXXX.conf.

- here I added a new file 49-garmin.conf (also tested with .rules
extension and 51 as number) with the content given in the link, but none
works.

- there is a file "50-blacklist.conf", here I added the "blacklist
garmin_gps" statement.


Jürgen

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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin (still help needed)

Robert Lipe-4
That's a question for a Suse list/expert.  (Which we may have in our midst, but I've never used Suse.)

When you find an answer, please report back and we'll update the doc we have as it seems to change for just about every distro/version combination out there and the updates have been pretty light lately.   I"d hoped that meant they'd run out of inventive new ways to break letting you access your own device, but apparently not.


On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Jürgen Hochwald <[hidden email]> wrote:
Am 05.05.2015 um 00:03 schrieb Robert Lipe:
( http://www.gpsbabel.org/os/Linux_Hotplug.html ) and let us
>
(snip)

Hallo,

Now the converting and uploading is working, thanks.

But currently I've the problem, that  only root can access the garmin
device. The setup on my SuSE 13.1 is different from the above was to
configure.

- a file "/etc/modprobe.conf" doesn't exists. There is a directory
"/etc/modprobe.d/" with some files with format ##-XXXXXXX.conf.

- here I added a new file 49-garmin.conf (also tested with .rules
extension and 51 as number) with the content given in the link, but none
works.

- there is a file "50-blacklist.conf", here I added the "blacklist
garmin_gps" statement.


Jürgen

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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin (still help needed)

Manfred Haertel, DB3HM
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Jürgen Hochwald schrieb:

> But currently I've the problem, that  only root can access the garmin
> device. The setup on my SuSE 13.1 is different from the above was to
> configure.
>
> - a file "/etc/modprobe.conf" doesn't exists. There is a directory
> "/etc/modprobe.d/" with some files with format ##-XXXXXXX.conf.
>
> - here I added a new file 49-garmin.conf (also tested with .rules
> extension and 51 as number) with the content given in the link, but none
> works.

To fix the protection problem, the file with the line similiar to

SYSFS{idVendor}=="091e", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0003", MODE="666"

(product number should be different) should go to /etc/udev/rules.d .

I always use a very high number at the start of the filename, eg.
99-garmin.conf . If using lower numbers, the USB protection gets
overwritten by some other udev rules (at least in Opensuse).

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Re: Problems sending a route to garmin (still help needed)

Jürgen Hochwald
Am 11.05.2015 um 07:22 schrieb Manfred Haertel, DB3HM:
> Jürgen Hochwald schrieb:
>
> SYSFS{idVendor}=="091e", SYSFS{idProduct}=="0003", MODE="666"
>
> (product number should be different) should go to /etc/udev/rules.d .
>

Hello,

ok this is now working, but the line must be modified:

> ATTR{idVendor}=="091e", ATTR{idProduct}=="0003", MODE="666"

"ATTR" instead of "SYSFS". The ID's of my garmin are matching.



/var log messages
>2015-05-12T22:23:04.596359+02:00 bastau kernel: [  469.927233] usb
2-1.3: new full-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci
>2015-05-12T22:23:04.682352+02:00 bastau kernel: [  470.013072] usb
2-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=091e, idProduct=0003
>2015-05-12T22:23:04.682360+02:00 bastau kernel: [  470.013076] usb
2-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0


Jürgen
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